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#1 01-07-2019 11:54:49

Adic2010
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Général Aftar VS Ankara ? OccasionInformer Associations.FR-Maghrébines

~ GF - L'hommage rendu par un Maréchal libyen devant la statue de Komitas

Les données historico-culturelles arméno-arabisantes et arabo-arménisantes ne manquent pas.

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Il y a aussi les groupes parlementaires (et leurs circonscriptions électorales) en Amitié FRANCE-LIBYE : ASSEMBLÉE NATIONALE . SÉNAT. Je crois que Macron & son Gouvernement sont pro-Tripoli.(?)

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- http://www.globalarmenianheritage-adic.fr/flags/a_libye.JPG - 'Thread' appartenant à la RUBRIQUE (#101) : LIBYE. LE MARÉCHAL KHALIFA HAFTAR DE BENGHAZI AYANT RECONNU LE GDA1915 : CONTRE L'INTERVENTION MILITAIRE À TRIPOLI PAR L'ARMÉE D'ANKARA / DES TRUCO-TURCO-TURQUERIES (TRÈS) DANGEREUSES >>> EN TANT QUE CHRÉTIENS D'ORIENT, INFORMER-ALERTER-SENSIBILISER L'ISLAM DE FRANCE ET SA COMPOSANTE FRANCO-ARABO-MUSULMANE.

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#2 01-01-2020 22:05:35

Adic2010
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http://www.armenews.com/IMG/arton21439.png . ON VA VOIR DEMAIN CE QUI VA SE DIRE...  neutral

La Ligue arabe tient mardi à la demande du Caire une réunion urgente sur la situation en Libye, où le gouvernement de Tripoli a signé deux accords de coopération avec Ankara, a annoncé lundi l’organisation panarabe, basée dans la capitale égyptienne. Plongée dans le chaos depuis la chute de Mouammar Kadhafi en 2011, la Libye est aujourd’hui déchirée entre deux autorités : le gouvernement d’union nationale (GNA) à Tripoli et un pouvoir incarné par le maréchal Khalifa Haftar dans l’Est. Le maréchal Haftar, qui a lancé début avril une offensive pour conquérir la capitale, a annoncé le 12 décembre le (...)

À plus tard. Nil.   smile


L'ISLAMOPHOBIE viscérale de Mustafa KEMAL ATATURK est étudiée dans le site malais islamo-traditionnel BISMIKA ALLAHUMA // RÉFÉRENCES BIBLIOGRAPHIQUES.

Cette islamophobie turco-natlonaliste de Kémal ATATURK, se voulant alors "émancipée"~"moderniste" jusqu'aux Massacres du Dersim,

- allant de pair avec sa CONSIDÉRATION auprès de l'IMAGINAIRE NAZI / Collectif VAN ;

- est-elle évoquée, prise en considération aujourd'hui par les sociologues français... ??

- sachant la volonté de fausser la perception du GDA1915 par les décrets kémalistes de 1924, de 1925 et de 1928 ;

- en particulier participant aux causes non dites du djihadisme islamiste international...

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# RUBRIQUES CONCERNÉES OÙ FAIRE CONNAÎTRE :

~ http://www.globalarmenianheritage-adic.fr/flags/eu_germany.jpg . http://www.globalarmenianheritage-adic.fr/flags/armenia_m.JPG . http://www.globalarmenianheritage-adic.fr/flags/france_m.JPG . http://www.globalarmenianheritage-adic.fr/flags/eu_0eu.JPGALLEMAGNE(S) & RECHERCHES-CONSIDÉRATIONS ARMÉNO-FRANCO-EURO-GERMANISANTES  (#1)   

~ http://www.globalarmenianheritage-adic.fr/flags/arab_league.JPG . ستكتب الأسماء العربية بأحرف ذهبية في التاريخ الأرمني . Le nom des Arabes sera inscrit en lettres d'or dans l'Histoire des Arméniens (Damas, 9 mai 1919) / Rapporté par le Pr Nicolay HOVHANNISYAN - ISLAM ET RELATIONS ARABO-ARMÉNIENNES   (#2)

~ SITES, BLOGS, FORUMS, PAGES-ADIC ISLAMISANTS ET ARABISANTS (#35)

~ RECHERCHES DE PAGES ET DE VIDÉOS ARMÉNISANTS EN ARABE  (#36)

~ ÉTUDES ARABISANTES : HISTORIOGRAPHIE . CULTURE . LINGUISTIQUE . UNIVERSITÉS . FONDATIONS     (#37)

~ http://www.globalarmenianheritage-adic.fr/flags/a_egypte.jpg - L'ÉGYPTE, LES HAYS-L'ARMÉNIE / PASSÉ-PRÉSENT + RECHERCHES D'ÉCHOS ARABES DANS LES JOURNAUX ARMÉNIENS D'ÉGYPTE (de la Nahda > 1925 / Conséquences de la suppression kémaliste du Califat en 1924) (#39)

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~ http://www.globalarmenianheritage-adic.fr/flags/armenia_m.JPG . http://ysu.am/main/pics/logo.png - RÉPUBLIQUE D'ARMÉNIE : ÉTUDES ISLAMO-ARABISANTES ET TURCO-ORIENTALISANTES . ԱՐԵՎԵԼԱԳԻՏՈՒԹՅԱՆ ՀԱՐՑԵՐ ՀԱՅԱՍՏԱՆՈՒՄ  (#46)

~ PUBLICATIONS ARMÉNO-ANCIENNES SUR L'ISLAM, SUR LA NAHDA ET PAGES RÉCENTES ARMÉNO-ISLAMISANTES : À FAIRE CONNAÎTRE À LA FONDATION DE L'ISLAM DE FRANCE, AUX ASSOCIATIONS ET INSTITUTS DES MOSQUÉES DE NOS CONCITOYENS FRANCO-MUSULMANS   (#61)

~ SALAFISME - ISLAMISME(S)=ISLAMOPHOBIE(S) - DOGMATISME ANTI-ISLAM - 1915 & PERTE DE L'ISLAM - TERRORISME D'UN GÉNOCIDE  (#66) ;

~ DIALOGUE(S) ISLAMO-CHRÉTIEN(S) & L'ISLAM DE FRANCE : UN RÔLE INTERNATIONAL DE PAIX FAISANT CONNAÎTRE LE GDA1915 ET LES CONSÉQUENCES ANTHROPOLOGIQUES DE CENT ANS DE DÉNIS...   (#67) ;

~ http://www.globalarmenianheritage-adic.fr/flags/a_maroc.JPG . FACE AU NATIONALISME ESPAGNOL, À L'EUROCENTRISME POST-COLONIAL ET À LA GUERRE ENTRE SIONISME ET ISLAMISME, RECHERCHES HISTORIOGRAPHIQUES ARMÉNISANTES ET DES CHRÉTIENS D'ORIENT SUR LE COUPLE AL-ANDALUS#MAROC   (#69) ;

~ SAVOIR ÉTUDIER-SUIVRE-ADRESSER-QUESTIONNER 'LA FONDATION DE L'ISLAM DE FRANCE' SUR LA FORMATION DES IMAMS DE FRANCE CONCERNANT LE GDA1915, SA RECONNAISSANCE ET SES DÉNIS.   (#70)

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~ http://www.globalarmenianheritage-adic.fr/flags/a_libye.JPG . LIBYE . LE MARÉCHAL KHALIFA HAFTAR DE BENGHAZI AYANT RECONNU LE GDA1915 : CONTRE L'INTERVENTION MILITAIRE À TRIPOLI PAR L'ARMÉE D'ANKARA EN TRUCO-TURCO-TURQUERIES (TRÈS) DANGEREUSES >>> EN TANT QUE CHRÉTIENS D'ORIENT, INFORMER-ALERTER-SENSIBILISER L'ISLAM DE FRANCE ET SA COMPOSANTE FRANCO-ARABO-MUSULMANE.   (#101)

PS - Je commence à chercher en bibliographies arméniennes des articles sur le mépris anti-arabe d'Ataturk .
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#3 08-01-2020 13:52:19

Adic2010
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Re: Général Aftar VS Ankara ? OccasionInformer Associations.FR-Maghrébines

- https://coran.oumma.com/oumma-canvas/images/logo_oumma_blanc@2x.png . OUMMA.COM . / Mohamed Tahar Bensaada, 7 Janv.2020 / Bruits de bottes en Libye : vers une guerre régionale ouverte ?
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#4 15-04-2020 15:00:59

Adic2010
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Re: Général Aftar VS Ankara ? OccasionInformer Associations.FR-Maghrébines

La recherche bibliographique sur la  Guerre tuco-italienne avance.  Il y a des publications en français de l'époque à ce Post#7 // L'hommage rendu par un Maréchal libyen devant la statue de Komitas

Il y aura à voir comment présenter-informer en France le Général Aftar qui est en faveur des Hays ?

Pourra-t-on évoquer la Guerre Italo-ottomane où ont participé en particulier ENVER PACHA et MUSTAFA KÉMAL ? C'est à y réfléchir et à étudier.


Entre temps je copie ci-dessous les notes bibliographiques très utiles (et gratuites) d'un article payant : A review of the Turco-Italian war of 1911–1912 and related letters of Enver Pasha, Syed Tanvir Wasti.

From the time of the 1877 Turco-Russian war till its disappearance from the stage of history in 1922, the Ottoman Empire was involved in decades of almost continuous war – in Europe, on the Russian front and in the Middle East. The conflict with Italy of 1911–1912 was an example of how powers in decline are forced into war in the face of peremptory demands from stronger neighbours. Italy's unprovoked attack on the Ottoman provinces of Libya in North Africa paved the way for the Balkan Wars of 1912–1913 and indirectly also hastened the First World War. A group of Ottoman Turkish military officers along with their Arab and Berber Muslim allies in Libya made a heroic defensive stand and kept the Italian naval invasion pinned to the coastal beach-heads of Libya.


1 In Ottoman times, after 1835, the area now called Libya was made up of three parts: the vilâyet or province of Tripolitania (Trablusgarp), the vilâyet of Fezzan (Fizan) and the sub-province (sandjak) of Benghazi (Bingazi). The name of the capital city (Trablusgarp or Western Tripoli) was often used as the overall Ottoman Turkish designation for Libya. Trablusgarp was so called because there was another Tripoli within the Ottoman domains – a city north of Beirut called Trablus of Syria (Trablus Şam).

2 R.J.B. Bosworth, ‘Italy and the End of the Ottoman Empire’, Chapter 3 in Marian Kent (ed.), The Great Powers and the End of the Ottoman Empire (London: Frank Cass, 1996), p.60.

3 Ernest N. Bennett (later Sir Ernest Nathaniel Bennett, Fellow at Oxford and also MP), With the Turks in Tripoli: Being some experiences of the Turco-Italian War of 1911 (London: Methuen, 1912), 319 pp. The book covers the period October 1911 to January 1912 and thus ends before the war itself. From the book, it is clear that Bennett’s sympathies lie with the Turks and their Arab and Berber allies. While in Libya, Bennett was able to spend time near Azizieh and Tripoli and make the acquaintance of the Turkish officers there.

4 Sir Thomas Barclay, The Turco-Italian War and Its Problems (London: Constable & Co., 1912), 259 pp.

-5 Syed Ameer Ali (1849–1928) was a notable Muslim jurist and author, who rose to the rank of Privy Counsellor. He sent a letter about the Turco-Italian war to The Times of London, which was published on 11 October 1911. In the chapter mentioned, Ameer Ali states: ‘The excitement and indignation that has been aroused among the Moslem people by Italy's action can only be compared to the feeling created, in 1877, by the Russian invasion’.

6 Georges Rémond, Aux Camps Turco-Arabes [At the Turco-Arab Camps] (Paris: Librairie Hachette, 1913), 212 pp and 32 pages of photographs, with the subtitle Notes de Route et de Guerre en Tripolitaine et en Cyrénaïque [Journey and War Notes in Tripolitania and Cyrenaica]. Georges Rémond (1877–1965) was a famous French war correspondent. Rémond’s book has been reprinted in recent years, with a preface by Odile Moreau (Paris: Editions Turquoise, Collection Altérités, 2014), 288 pp.

-7 The Senussi are a Muslim Sufi order founded in Mecca in 1837 by Muhammad ibn Ali as-Senussi of Algeria. Adherents of this movement spread over North Africa, and their members have traditionally resisted the foreign occupation of their lands.

8 William C. Askew, Europe and Italy’s Acquisition of Libya 1911–1912, (Durham: Duke University Press, 1942), 317 pp.

9 Timothy W. Childs, Italo-Turkish Diplomacy and the War over Libya 1911–1912 (Leiden: E. J. Brill, 1990), 271 pp; George Stephenson, A Box of Sand: The Turco-Italian War, 1911–1912 (Ticehurst: Tattered Flag, 2014), 352 pp.

10 (First Lieutenant) Renato Tittoni (Translator and Compiler), The Italo-Turkish War (1911–12) (Kansas City: Franklin Hudson, 1914), 132 pp. The book has photographs and, as might be expected, tilts towards the benefits to Libya of the Italian occupation. On page 96, it is mentioned that a visit by the famous Italian engineer Marconi results in the establishment of the then new system of radiotelegraphs with the erection of eight stations, and continues: ‘31,000 radio telegrams were sent, showing the importance of this system in warfare’.

11 The web address for the whole online encyclopaedia is: https://encyclopedia.1914-1918-online.net/.

12 The item by Rachel Simon is titled Italo – Turkish War 1911 – 1912: https://encyclopedia.1914-1918-online.n … hel_Simon.

13 McCollum’s chapter in the journal Diacronie: Studi di Storia Contemporanea may be accessed at: https://journals.openedition.org/diacronie/2356.

14 The address for T.B. Ünlü’s bibliography relating to Tripolitania (Trablusgarp) is as follows: http://www.atiktarih.com/trablusgarb-ey … alismasi/.

-15 Orhan Koloğlu, Trablusgarp Savaşı (1911–12) ve Türk Subayları [The Western Tripoli War (1911–12) and Turkish Army Officers] (Ankara: Basın Yayın Genel Müdürlüğü, 1979), 107 pp. It is important to add that Koloğlu comes from a family with deep roots in Libya; his father Sadullah Koloğlu even served as Prime Minister in Libya for two years after 1949. The book will henceforth be referred to as Koloğlu.

16 Hale Şıvgın, Trablusgarp Savaşı ve 1911–1912 Türk İtalyan İlişkileri [The Western Tripoli War and Turkish Italian relations in 1911–1912] (Ankara: Atatürk Araştırma Merkezi, 2006), 208 pp.

17 The main text of Koloğlu’s book comprises short accounts or memoirs related to the Turco-Italian war by Enver Pasha, Fuat Bulca, Eşref Kuşçubaşı, Halil Kut Pasha, Dr Nihat Sezai Göran and Fethi Okyar.

18 See Koloğlu, Trablusgarp Savaşı (1911–12), pp.20–21.

19 Ismail Enver (1881–1922) was born in Istanbul. He graduated from the War Academy with the rank of Captain in 1903 and saw military action in several parts of the Balkans. He was one of the first members of the Committee of Union and Progress (CUP) that was a strong political force in Ottoman Turkey in the last decades of the Empire. After the sultan Abdülhamid reinstated the Ottoman Constitution in 1908, Enver was sent to Berlin as the Ottoman Military Attaché. At the start of the Turco-Italian war, he left Berlin for Libya where he helped to organize the Turco-Arab resistance along with colleagues such as Mustafa Kemal and Fethi Okyar. When the CUP acquired political power in Turkey before the First World War, Enver (now Pasha) became the Minister of War. With Turkey’s defeat in the war in 1918, Enver Pasha left Turkey, went to Germany and afterwards to Russia. He organized military resistance to the Soviet army in Central Asia, where he was killed in a battle in 1922. Enver Pasha’s remains were brought back to Turkey in 1996 and buried in Istanbul. The title of Bey, which Enver Pasha had prior to his elevation to the rank of Pasha or General, has been used in this article in quotations or in references to his time in Tripolitania. Otherwise, he has been referred to as Enver Pasha.

20 Derne is also written as Derna.

21 Mustafa Kemal (1881–1938) was born in Salonica (modern-day Greece), and graduated from the War Academy in Istanbul in 1905. He served with distinction in the Turkish Army and was appointed Military Attaché in Sofia, Bulgaria in 1913. His historic defence against the Allied forces attacking the Dardanelles in 1915 during the First World War brought him great fame. After Turkey’s defeat at the end of the war, he resigned his military position in 1919 and left Istanbul to organize the National Resistance against the invading forces of the Allies. After some years in which the Turks scored military and diplomatic successes, the country regained full freedom and became a Republic in 1923, with Mustafa Kemal as its first President. He took the surname Atatürk [Father of the Turks] in 1934.

22 In the words of H.C. Armstrong, Grey Wolf (London: Arthur Barker, 1932), p.50:

Mustafa Kemal dressed himself as an Arab and took the light railway that ran westwards. At the frontier he was stopped. He knew only a smattering of Arabic and, with his blue eyes and light hair, he did not look an Arab. The officer at the frontier post was an Egyptian. He had received a description of Mustafa Kemal with orders from the English commandant in Alexandria to send him back.

The Egyptian was a Moslem and he hated the English and the Italians, equally with all Christians. All his sympathies were with the Turks. He could not, however, completely ignore his orders. Making sure that Mustafa Kemal was a Turk, he arrested another passenger with blue eyes and sent Mustafa Kemal on with a blessing.

-23 Ali Fethi (Okyar) (1880–1943) was born in the Balkans and graduated in 1904 from the War Academy in Istanbul. He joined the Committee of Union and Progress (CUP) and in 1908 was sent to Paris as Ottoman Military Attaché. In 1911 he was elected to the Ottoman Parliament and in 1913 was posted to Sofia as the Ambassador to Bulgaria. He became Turkey’s Minister of the Interior in 1918 but, after the Ottoman defeat in the First World War, was exiled by the British along with many high-ranking politicians to Malta in 1919. He returned in 1921 and joined the Turkish resistance under Mustafa Kemal Pasha. After the establishment of the Turkish Republic in 1923, he served as Interior Minister and Prime Minister for some time. He was appointed Turkish Ambassador to Great Britain and, during the Second World War, returned to Turkey to serve for two years as Minister of Justice.

-24 Mehmet Nuri Conker (1882–1937) was born in Salonica and graduated from the War Academy in Istanbul in 1905. He was a friend of Mustafa Kemal from his childhood in Salonica; they went to the same schools and graduated in the same batch from the War Academy. He fought on many fronts during the First World War and participated in the Turkish War of Independence (1920–1922). After the establishment of the Republic, he served as a Provincial Governor, and later as a member of the Turkish parliament. His surname was taken from the steep slope (Conkbayır) in the Dardanelles where he fought under the command of Mustafa Kemal during the bitter battle (known in English as the Battle of Chunuk or Chonuk Bair) that took place in August 1915, which resulted in an Ottoman victory.

-25 Ahmet Fuat Bulca (1881–1962) was an old friend, distant relative and classmate of Mustafa Kemal at the Monastir Military High School. He fought on several fronts during the First World War and the Turkish War of Independence, retiring with the rank of Colonel. Later he served as a Member of the Turkish Parliament for 16 years.

26 Nuri Bey (Killigil) (1890–1949) was born in Istanbul, and joined the War Academy. He was one of three members of the same family (along with his brother Enver Bey and his uncle Halil Kut) who fought against the Italian invasion in Libya. He was promoted to the rank of Captain in November 1913 and in June 1914 was appointed Ottoman Military Attaché at Vienna. He saw service on several fronts. After the establishment of the Turkish Republic, he gave up his military career and started a successful munitions factory in Istanbul. An unexplained explosion at the factory in 1949 resulted in his death.

27 Preveza is a town on the west coast of Greece. It was the site of a great sea battle won by the Ottoman Turks in 1538 against an alliance of Christian states.

28 An account of these memoirs (put together in 1941 under dictation from Nuri Pasha by a colonel in the Turkish Army identified only by his initials C.C.S.) has been published. See Serpil Sürmeli, Nuri (Killigil) Paşa’nın Trablusgarp Savaşı Hatıraları [Memoirs of Nuri Killigil Pasha Related to the Tripoli War] (Erzurum: Atatürk Üniversitesi Atatürk Dergisi, 2012), pp.111–35.

29 For the life of Halil Kut Pasha, see Syed Tanvir Wasti, ‘Halil Kut – The last Ottoman Pasha’, Middle Eastern Studies Vol. 53, No. 5 (September 2017), pp.820–33.

30 For Amir Shakib Arslan’s efforts during the last years of the Ottoman Empire, refer to Syed Tanvir Wasti, ‘Amir Shakib Arslan and the CUP Triumvirate’, Middle Eastern Studies Vol. 44, No. 6 (November 2008), pp.925–36.

31 William C. Askew, p.84. See Endnote 8 for details.

32 Refer to Endnote 12.

33 This treaty is also known as the Treaty of Ouchy.

34 Refer to David Fromkin, A Peace to End all Peace (New York: Avon Books, 1990), Chapter 56, pp.480–90. See also Endnote 19 above.

-35 Şevket Süreyya Aydemir (1897–1974) was a Turkish historian, teacher and writer, well-known for his published biographies (and an autobiography). He served on the Caucasus front during the First World War.

36 Şevket Süreyya Aydemir, Makedonya’dan Orta Asya’ya Enver Paşa [Enver Pasha from Macedonia to Central Asia] (Istanbul: Remzi Kitabevi, 1972). Vol. I (1860–1908), 584 pp; Vol. II (1908–1914), 573 pp; Vol. III (1914–1922), 660 pp.

37 Murat Bardakçı, Enver (Istanbul: Türkiye İş Bankası, 2015), 784 pp.

38 Glen W. Swanson, ‘Enver Pasha: The Formative Years’, Middle Eastern Studies Vol. 16, No. 3 (October 1980), pp.193–99; Charles D. Haley, ‘The Desperate Ottoman: Enver Paşa and the German Empire – I’, Middle Eastern Studies Vol. 30, No. 1 (January 1994), pp.1–51 and ‘The Desperate Ottoman: Enver Paşa and the German Empire –II’, Middle Eastern Studies Vol. 30, No. 2 (April 1994), pp.224–51; Şuhnaz Yılmaz, ‘An Ottoman Warrior Abroad: Enver Paşa as an expatriate’, Middle Eastern Studies Vol. 35, No. 4 (October 1999), pp.40–69.

-39 Ernst Jäckh (also written as Jaeckh or Jaeck and, in later years, Jackh or even Jack) (1875 – 1959), was born in Urach, Germany and studied at various universities, specializing in Ottoman and Middle Eastern affairs.

40 A search for the Ernst Jäckh Papers under https://archives.yale.edu/ will lead to information on the collection, which is on microfilm. See also Endnote 49 below. A smaller collection of Jäckh’s papers is in the archives of Columbia University, New York.

-41 Enver Pascha, Um Tripolis [At Tripoli] (München: Hugo Bruckmann, 1918), 102 pp. Henceforth, this book will be referred to as Um Tripolis.

42 The publisher of Um Tripolis mentions in the Preface that the Pasha is not writing in his mother tongue. As shown in the present article, the contents of the book have been picked and chosen from letters written by Enver Pasha in French to just one correspondent. It may be mentioned that Enver Pasha had a competent knowledge of both French and German.

-43 Friedrich Perzyński (1877–1965) was a traveller, author, art dealer and connoisseur. Born in Berlin, he acquired a knowledge of Japanese, and published monographs on Asian art. During the First World War, Perzyński worked for the then newly founded Nachrichtenstelle für den Orient [German Intelligence Bureau/Propaganda Organization for the East]. This institution had different sections, including Arabic, Persian, Turkish, Russian, Indian and East Asian; it was staffed by Germans who were former diplomats, academics and journalists. Perzyński left Germany in 1942 and spent the rest of his life in Argentina.

44 ‘Dennoch sind diese ursprünglich nur für Freundesaugen bestimmten Blätter gerade heute ganz besonders lehrreich und interessant’, Um Tripolis, p.7. This confirms that the originals were in the form of personal letters.

45 An almost contemporary but unpublished translation of Um Tripolis into Ottoman Turkish in the old script, with comments, was made over the period 1918–1919 by Nuri Conker (see Endnote 24). With his own military background, Nuri Conker made a few technical comments and criticisms of the text in the margins of his translation of Um Tripolis. The manuscript remained within the Conker family and, apparently at irregular intervals, Mahmut Conker, the younger son of Nuri Conker, who also had a diplomatic career, continued to add his own caustic comments to the manuscript, denouncing Enver Pasha, a person he had never really met, being only 10 years old when the Pasha was killed in battle in Central Asia. The notebook of the manuscript remained in safekeeping within the family and emerged finally only in 2013. By this time, the Conker and Tulça families had become related by marriage. Refer to Enis Tulça and Emre Öktem, ‘Conker’lerin Kaleminden Enver Paşa’nın Trablusgarp Hatıratına Yorumlar’ [Written Comments on Enver Pasha’s Tripolitania Memoirs by the Conkers], Toplumsal Tarih Dergisi [Journal of Social History], Istanbul, No. 286 (October 2017), pp.28–37. The authors do not rein in their criticism of the comments made by Mahmut Conker on Enver Pasha, labelling them as ‘psycho-history’ and unconvincing psychoanalysis. These comments are in contrast to the measured remarks on the same text of his father Nuri Conker, who had participated in the defence of Libya and had known Enver Pasha personally. Also refer to Enis Tulça, ‘Bir Hatıratın 96 Yıllık Bilinmeyen Yol Haritası’ [The Unknown Road Map for 96-year-old Memoirs], Turan Center for Strategic Research International Scientific Refereed Journal, Ankara, Vol. 9, No. 36 (Autumn, 2017), pp.234–41.

46 See Endnote 15. The translation of Enver Pasha’s text covers pp.22–54 of Koloğlu’s book, followed by several pages of notes. It is unclear whether or not the translation from the German was done by the author.

47 Nurten Kutsal (Translator), Enver Paşa’nın Trablusgarp Günlüğü [Enver Pasha’s Western Tripoli Diary] (Istanbul: T & K Yayınları), 2015, 127 pp. The book has a preface by Özgür Erdem, in which the author analyses the background that led the Germans to publish Um Tripolis in 1918.

48 M. Şükrü Hanioğlu, Kendi Mektuplarında Enver Paşa [Enver Pasha in his own letters] (Istanbul: Der Yayınları, 1989), 286 pp. Hanioğlu published the Turkish translations of a selection of Enver Pasha’s letters (with photographs) in instalments in the Istanbul newspaper Cumhuriyet over the period 1 October 1989–12 October 1989 under the heading Enver Paşa’nın Gizli Mektupları [Secret Letters of Enver Pasha]. These have been incorporated into his book along with other letters.

49 A search at the web address http://web.library.yale.edu/mssa results in a Guide to the Ernst Jackh Papers MS 467 dated August 1981 by Janet Elaine Gertz.

50 All the letters by Enver Pasha from Libya are in French, with occasional expressions in German thrown into the text.

À SUIVRE. Nil
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SUITE DU POST PRÉCÉDENT // À NOTER EN PARTICULIER LES PERSONNAGES TURCS ET ARABES.

-51 Freiherr Max von Oppenheim (1860–1946) was a diplomat, scholar and archaeologist born into a prominent German-Jewish banking family. He was at the centre of a German plan aimed at encouraging Muslim countries under colonial rule to overthrow their foreign rulers before and during the First World War. An ardent lover of Germany, Oppenheim was not persecuted by the Nazis. Max von Oppenheim features prominently in the book Erik-Jan Zürcher (ed.), Jihad and Islam in World War I (Leiden: Leiden University Press, 2016), 357 pp.

-52 M. Şükrü Hanioğlu, Kendi Mektuplarında Enver Paşa [Enver Pasha in his own letters] (Istanbul: Der Yayınları, 1989), p.15.

-53 Hanioğlu writes that the last letter sent by Enver Pasha from Libya (dated 25 November 1912) was published by Jäckh with the title ‘Der Widerstand der Cyrenaika: Ein Brief von Enver Bey’ [The Resistance of Cyrenaica: A letter from Enver Bey] in the Frankfurter Zeitung of 24 December 1912 and also, in slightly abbreviated form in Vossische Zeitung of Berlin on the same date.

-54 In the four years between his departure from Turkey and his death in 1922, Enver Pasha was also the author of no less than 417 passionate letters in Turkish to his wife, Naciye Sultan, written from abroad. See Murat Bardakçı, Naciyem, ruhum, efendim [My Naciye, My Soul, My Lady] (Istanbul: Türkiye İş Bankası, 2016), 624 pp.

-55 Maria Sarre (1875–1970) was the daughter of Carl Humann (Endnote 58) and spent some years of her early life in Turkey. In 1900, she married the archaeologist, author and art collector Friedrich Sarre (1865–1945).

-56 Emine Naciye Sultan (1898–1957) was a grand-daughter of the Ottoman Sultan Abdülmecid and a daughter of Prince Süleyman. She married Enver Pasha in 1914.

57 Bardakçı, Enver, p.109.

-58 Carl (or Karl) Humann (1839–1896) was born in Steele (now part of Essen, Germany). He was a railway engineer and surveyor but, suffering from tuberculosis, he moved, in accordance with medical recommendations, to the warmer climate of Turkey, when still in his twenties. While supervising road construction in Western Anatolia, he visited in 1864 the site of the remains of Pergamon (also called Pergamum; close to the modern Turkish town of Bergama). In consequence he became a self-taught archaeologist and, in 1878, after fourteen years, obtained financial backing from Berlin to direct excavations in the area, which continued till 1886. Among the discoveries at the site were a valuable temple frieze, a Hellenistic altar and other sculptures, which were transported in carriages to the coast and then loaded on to German Navy ships bound for Germany. Today the Pergamon Altar is part of a monumental exhibit, housed in Berlin. Carl Humann spent most of his life in Turkey and when he died in 1896, he was buried in Izmir. Seventy-one years later, in 1967, his remains were reinterred at the excavation site in Bergama.

-59 The article by Malte Fuhrmann, a German historian who has published much material on Turkey

60 See Endnote 11 above.

-61 Seçil Deren, German Ideas and Expectations on Expansion in the Near East (1890–1915), a doctoral thesis accepted by the School of Social Sciences, Middle East Technical University, Ankara, in November 2004, 266 pp. The career of Ernst Jäckh is among the many relevant topics treated in the thesis, and the references include several works by Jäckh, of which his book The Rising Crescent subtitled Turkey: Yesterday, Today and Tomorrow (New York: Farrar and Rinehart, Inc., 1944), 278 pp., is the best known.

62 Refer to Ernst Jackh, The Rising Crescent, p.5:

I witnessed the last weeks of the old decaying Ottoman Empire when I first arrived in Smyrna and Constantinople in 1908. I visited the Young Turks' Ottoman Empire annually on missions for the German government during the next decade, traveling from Salonika to Baghdad, and from Albania to Arabia. Finally, after my emigration from Berlin to London when the Hitlerites came into power, I went on several missions to Turkey for the British government in the years 1937 to 1940, visiting Ankara and Anatolia.

63 Jäckh starts by introducing the subject as follows in a section called ‘Two friends who shaped history – Hans Humann and Enver Pasha’ (The Rising Crescent, pp.118–20):

Who was Hans Humann whose letters, reports, and advices the reader will find in this book? He was the liaison officer between the German admiral of the Goeben and the Ottoman Generalissimo Enver Pasha, the German naval attaché and Enver's closest friend to whom he had access day and night. Nobody else had this privilege. Personal relationship often shapes history. This held true for German-Turkish policy through the friendship between Humann and Enver, at first in Berlin, and later in Constantinople.

64 No evidence is put forward for this claim. In his article on Hans Humann (see Endnote 59), Malte Fuhrmann states the following:

Legends, transmitted by Ernst Jäckh (1875–1959) and the US ambassador Henry Morgenthau (1856–1946), claimed that Humann had spent almost his entire life in the Ottoman Empire, was more Turkish than a Turk, and had shared the same wet nurse as Enver. There is no historical basis for any of this, as the two men’s paths probably never crossed before Enver’s appointment as military attaché in Berlin between 1909 and 1911. Nonetheless, Humann was well informed about Ottoman society and had an intimate friendship with Enver…

On the other hand, Sezen Kılıç has pointed out that Hans Humann spent his first 12 years in Turkey and grew up with Enver Pasha, meeting him and corresponding with him. Kılıç writes, however, that it was another close friend of Humann, von Papen, who used the expression ‘foster-brother’ to describe the strong bond between the two. See Sezen Kılıç, ‘Alman Deniz Ataşesi Humann’ın Mektuplarında Enver Paşa’ [Enver Pasha in the letters of the Naval Attaché Humann], Bilig Türk Dünyası Sosyal Bilimler Dergisi [Journal of Social Sciences of the Turkic World], No. 77 (Spring 2016), pp.109–30.

65 The inventory of the Jäckh Papers at Yale University mentions a collection of letters from Hans Humann to Ernst Jäckh over the period 1911–1918.

66 See M. Şükrü Hanioğlu, Kendi Mektuplarında Enver Paşa [Enver Pasha in his own letters] (Istanbul: Der Yayınları, 1989), pp.16–17.

67 Ernst Jackh (the American version of his surname) became Professor at Columbia University in New York and lived there till his death.

68 The Honorary Doctorate of Political Sciences was conferred on Ernst Jäckh by Ankara University in 1958. In his address, the University Rector, Kemal Ferit Arık, gave specific examples of how Mustafa Kemal Atatürk had praised Ernst Jäckh’s contributions to German-Turkish friendship in the early decades of the twentieth century. In a brief and emotional reply, Jäckh expressed his affection for Turkey and the Turks. See Ankara Üniversitesi Siyasal Bilgiler Fakültesi Dergisi [Journal of the Faculty of Political Sciences, Ankara University] Vol. 13, No. 2 (1958). The Rector’s address covers pp.270–73 and Jäckh’s reply is on pp.274–75.

-69 Charles D. Haley, ‘The Desperate Ottoman: Enver Paşa and the German Empire – I’, Middle Eastern Studies Vol. 30, No. 1 (January 1994), p.5, wherein he writes:

Unaccounted for, however, is the relationship to the sister of Hans Humann, the German naval attaché in Istanbul and Enver’s friend. Although there is no definite proof that this was more than platonic, the tone of Enver’s letters to her suggests that it was.

-70 Hakan Gökpinar, Deutsch-türkische Beziehungen 1890–1914 und die Rolle Enver Paschas [German-Turkish relations 1890–1914 and the role of Enver Pasha] (Marburg: Tectum Verlag, 2011), 289 pp.

-71 The sub-headings in German are: ‘Enver Bey und Maria Sarre – Liebesaffäre oder Interessengemeinschaft?’ and ‘Maria Sarre als Ratgeberin Enver Beys, des “türkischen Napoleons”’. See Gökpinar, Deutsch-türkische Beziehungen, p.127 and p.131.

72 See, for example, the article on Friedrich Sarre by Malte Fuhrmann at: https://encyclopedia.1914-1918-online.n … ul_theodor wherein the author states:

Friedrich Sarre’s wife Maria had maintained a close friendship with Enver ever since his time as Ottoman military attaché in Berlin (1909–1911). When Enver had to flee Istanbul following the Ottoman armistice, he found shelter in Sarre’s villa.
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https://encyclopedia.1914-1918-online.net/assets/img/logo-large.png . Italo-Turkish War 1911-1912 ~~~ DATA.BNF
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https://www.wikizero.com/assets/img/logo.png . GUERRE ITALO-TURQUE . Ne pas hésiter de faire connaître aux associations et Instituts de nos concitoyens franco-arabo-afro-musulmans le wikipedia en langue arménienne / Իտալա-թուրքական պատերազմ.

Nous avons en effet avec eux une complicité inconsciente (ou consciente non dite) d'utilisation de deux alphabets non latins et d'origines asiatiques.

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/3/32/Ataturk5.JPG
Ci-dessus : Mustafa Kemal (à gauche) dans la ville de Darnah (1912)
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Ci-dessous : Mustafa Kémal à Tripoli (1911)

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💻   neutral   S'ORGANISER POUR L'APRÈS-CONFINEMENT  //  trouver dans les publications arméno-anciennes et arménologiques des extraits sur la Libye :

- Կիրենաիկան . Տրիպոլին . Լիբիա

- Posts##5-9 // Revues arménologiques. Arménie & Diaspora. Posts où dans leForum NAM ?

Trouver aussi historiographiquement la source bibliographique de la citation de Kémal Ataturk

. dont la vignette est tant appréciée par l'internaute PN

. Islamisme = Islamophobie // Une drogue profitant aux traffiquants

RAPPEL / GF - L'hommage rendu par un Maréchal libyen devant la statue de Komitas

http://www.globalarmenianheritage-adic.fr/0hh/5arabes/dzovagan1957beyrouth60.JPG .
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Pascal Nicolaides a écrit:

TOUJOURS hors sujet !  Cet internaute devrait être confiné hors-ordinateur !

De plus l'internaute Adic 2010 déraille complètement  ! Il ne sait même plus que c'est LUI qui a envoyé la vignette de Kémal avec son aphorisme sur l'islam et son faux prophète !

Qu'il veuille bien afficher la référence de sa vignette- mais cela n'enlève pas la force du propos de Kémal !!!



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Qui déraille ici complètement ?

C'est exact, j'ai trouvé le jpg de cette vignette au cours de mes recherches sur web, mais je l'ai enlevé

- de mes qq messages du début / voyant que cela alimentait l'islamophobie agitée-agitante-déstructurante de l'Internaute PN  sad

- comme je le dis à ce post#44 La réponse des Bédouins...


Maintenant, il y a à trouver l'origine en bibliographie de cette citation :

- dans un discours officiel de Kémal Ataturk ? peu probable

- dans un de ses écrits ?

- rapporté par un (truco-)turc ?

- rapporté par un non-turc / journaliste, biographe , etc. ?
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Pascal Nicolaides a écrit:

  Oh , le très vieil internaute  Adic 2010 se souvient enfin que c'est lui qui nous a bombardé avec sa vignette Kémaliste , balancée sans aucune référence !

C'est ça va chercher son origine , ça t'occupera un moment et ça nous fera une pause dans tes posts islamisants.

ça va dans ta maison de retraite ? On s'occupe bien de toi? Tu n'as plus de coloriages ou de découpages à faire ?

Encore mille fois merci pour ce cadeau génial que je garde précieusement en mémoire !!!


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Bombardé ? Qui bombarde ici ? J'ai présenté cette vignette en [img]Ataturk[/img] près de cinq fois. Je ne manquerai pas de signaler la référence bibliographique de la citation dans les posts concernant l'islamophobie anti-arabe de Kémal Ataturk -dès que je trouve le www.

Mais qui parle de faire une pause dans le domaine (arabo-)islamisant ?   yikes   Les Franco-Truco-Turcs ne font pas de pause.   neutral   Il y a encore beaucoup de boulot / en particulier

- pour la RUBRIQUE (#70) : COMMENT SAVOIR ÉTUDIER-SUIVRE-ADRESSER-QUESTIONNER 'LA FONDATION DE L'ISLAM DE FRANCE' SUR LA FORMATION DES IMAMS DE FRANCE CONCERNANT LE GDA1915, SA RECONNAISSANCE ET SES DÉNIS

et surtout

- pour la RUBRIQUE (#100) : PUBLICATIONS ԵՊՀ ARMÉNO-UNIVERSITAIRES-ACADÉMICIENNES SUR LES RELATIONS ARMÉNO-ARABO-HISTORICO-ISLAMISANTES JUSQU'À L'IRRUPTION DES TURCO-SELDJOUKIDES
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L'Internaute PN a écrit:

merci pour la tronche de Mustafa !

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Finalement le virus ADIC 2010, c'est comme la télé française : très peu d'inédits et...beaucoup de  "déjà diffusés ! lol !

C'est bizarre, dès qu'on évoque les Structures Diyant-Cojep-Pej dans les départements.FR, l'internaute PN fait une diversion par son automatisme en caricatures. Est-ce qu'on reste seulement collé à la cour de récré de son collège ?

De plus, je ne crois pas que la source de la citation de la vignette de Mustafa Kémal en islamophobie (que PN apprécie tant), soit musulmane. Tout comme un athée, même dogmatique anti-foi chrétienne, ne dirait pas que les Chrétiens deviennent chaque dimanche des cannibales et des vampires / Ceci est mon corps, ceci est mon sang.

Mais please, revenons à la thématique de ce 'thread' : Général Aftar VS Ankara ? OccasionInformer Associations.FR-Maghrébines, c'est-à-dire avant tout LA LIBYE et la lutte pour son indépendance // avec un regard arménien.


http://publishing.ysu.am/files/Ruben_Karapetyan.pdf . http://publishing.ysu.am/thumbs/260x370/avqmbGfRRfpr9qODpPBfypHTJw.jpg . http://www.globalarmenianheritage-adic.fr/images_2/alichane_effets.jpg . http://publishing.ysu.am/img/header_img_logo.png . Dans ce livre de Rouben Karapétian consacré au regard arméno-historique et politico-diplomatique de la RA sur les Arabes, publié par l'Université d'Érévan,

- Արաբական երկրների նոր և նորագույն պատմություն, Ռուբեն Կարապետյան

- il y a un texte sur la LIBYE et sa lutte pour l'indépendance : II.Ա.6. Սուդանը եւ Լիբիան անկախության համար մղված պայքարում pp.190/195-201

https://www.e-moticone.com/emoticone/ordinateurs/ordi.gif . https://www.e-moticone.com/emoticone/ordinateurs/communique.gif >>>> à transcrire ce texte dans le forum en arménien 'Հայերէնով'   +   formater pour pouvoir traduire.

Avec le confinement, chacuns de nous dans nos "maisons de retraite" respectives, nous avons du boulot (en travail de fourmis)   wink  pour la Cause du GDA1915.

Vive les déambulateurs et les tisanes ! Nil.  smile
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Mais qui veut faire passer l'internaute PN pour "un agent de la Turquie" ?  hmm  Notre si illustre Trump à la sauce sarkozyste du Forum NAM ?

Serait-ce sa propre mémoire historico-in/consciente ? L'Internaute PN ne s'est-il pas affiché avec le croissant turco-ottoman en filiaton byzantine dans son agitation islamophico-phobique ?

ALORS QUE LE CROISSANT N'EST PAS LE SYMBOLE RELIGIEUX DE L'ISLAM. En tant que Chrétiens d'Orient nous savons que de telles ignorances-confusions symboliques sont entretenues et en dérives banalisées en Occident. C' est à faire remarquer

- aux mosquées de France qui ont le croissant turco-ottoman sur le dome de leur mosquée

- à l'Islam de France / RUBRIQUE (#40) et la Fondation de l'Islam de France / RUBRIQUE(#70)

En tout cas, j'ai enlevé mes cinq vignettes affichées [img]Ataturk[/img]. Personne n'empêche l'Internaute PN d'en faire autant. J'ai bien enlevé aussi mes vignettes TR#AZ et notre ami 'Nemessis' avait bien raison de nous le faire remarquer.

http://www.sherv.net/cm/emoticons/housework/sweeping-smiley-emoticon.gif . L'internaute PN agité-agitant-disséminant en diversions (vignatisantes islamophobes) permanentes va-t-il faire le ménage dans ses posts ??  roll

Je retourne à la transcription du texte arménien sur la LIBYE dans le 'Forum Հայերէնով' >> Formatage en continu en enlevant les "-" des mots coupés en fin de ligne >> Traduction possible.

Bonne continuation aux internautes de bonne volonté de la majorité silencieuse. Nil.
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#13 04-05-2020 16:08:49

lmm
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Re: Général Aftar VS Ankara ? OccasionInformer Associations.FR-Maghrébines

"OccasionInformer Associations.FR-Maghrébines"

Ce sont elles qui devraient nous informer , sur s'il y a consensus sur le Génocide ; sur le comment elles doivent soutenir ce sujet, non?

Ça cause de nous dans les mosquées?dans les prêches? dans les réunions de famille, ils en font un sujet de conversation éclairée?

Il y a eu suffisamment de pédagogie , non?
alors?

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#14 05-05-2020 11:06:12

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Re: Général Aftar VS Ankara ? OccasionInformer Associations.FR-Maghrébines

lmm a écrit:

"OccasionInformer Associations.FR-Maghrébines"

Ce sont elles qui devraient nous informer , sur s'il y a consensus sur le Génocide ; sur le comment elles doivent soutenir ce sujet, non?

Ça cause de nous dans les mosquées?dans les prêches? dans les réunions de famille, ils en font un sujet de conversation éclairée?

Il y a eu suffisamment de pédagogie , non?
alors?

Mais Anne-Marie, qu'avons-nous fait pour les informer directement ?

Ce que les Associations.FR-Maghrébines entendent du GDA1915, c'est par les médias.FR / avec en arrière-plan la mémoire des crimes coloniaux que l'État français cherche à escamoter.

Cela fausse-handicape beaucoup en réflexion : tout comme ressentir l'I/islam, les Arabes, l'Islam de France, etc... en les identifiant au GDA1915.

D'abord, avons-nous commencé à informer nos propres Hays sur (l'importance symbolico-religieuse de) la reconnaissance du GDA1915 par l'Institut musulman de la Grande Mosquée de Paris ??

Une telle reconnaissance pourrait être considérée comme celle transposée aujourd'hui en France du Firman du Gardien des Lieux Saints de La Mecque en 1917, Hussein Ibn Ali.

Je retourne à l'étude du livre de Rouben Karapétyan. Bonne continuation. Nil.

PS1 - Le livre de Karapetyan traduit en français pourrait (bien) se vendre sachant l'importante composante franco-maghrébine qui ne nous est pas historiquement défavorable . Merci d'en parler aux 'Éditions Parenthèses' de Marseille.

PS2 - Il y aura aussi ce livre à étudier s'il est sur web

- http://www.globalarmenianheritage-adic.fr/flags/a_libye.JPG - 'Thread' appartenant à la RUBRIQUE (#101) : LIBYE. LE MARÉCHAL KHALIFA HAFTAR DE BENGHAZI AYANT RECONNU LE GDA1915 : CONTRE L'INTERVENTION MILITAIRE À TRIPOLI PAR L'ARMÉE D'ANKARA / DES TRUCO-TURCO-TURQUERIES (TRÈS) DANGEREUSES >>> EN TANT QUE CHRÉTIENS D'ORIENT, INFORMER-ALERTER-SENSIBILISER L'ISLAM DE FRANCE ET SA COMPOSANTE FRANCO-ARABO-MUSULMANE.

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http://www.globalarmenianheritage-adic.fr/0/0gmp0.JPG La GRANDE MOSQUÉE DE PARIS a reconnu le GÉNOCIDE DES ARMÉNIENS DE 1915, le 4mai2015 >> INFORMER Conseillers municipaux, Univ. du TempsLibre & Groupes de dialogue islamo-chrétien des VILLES-FR jumelées avec des villes de PAYS ARABES.
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#15 05-05-2020 14:03:43

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Re: Général Aftar VS Ankara ? OccasionInformer Associations.FR-Maghrébines

Moi informer sans passer par des associations; moi parler en live.lol



C'est l'armée qui escamote.

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#16 13-07-2020 22:55:31

Adic2010
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Re: Général Aftar VS Ankara ? OccasionInformer Associations.FR-Maghrébines

http://www.globalarmenianheritage-adic.fr/images_6/16_wilson1736.jpg . http://www.globalarmenianheritage-adic.fr/images_6/16_stockhom1723.jpg . Suite a ce Post#18 // L'hommage rendu par un Marechal libyen devant la statue de Komitas...

on peut voir grace a Google.Books que LA LIBYE (Լիբիա) EST MENTIONNEE DANS LE LIVRE DE MOISE DE KHORENE (LONDRES 1736) A LA PAGE P.350

A bien informer les instituts et associations de nos concitoyens franco-arabo-maghrebins.

PS - A chercher aussi de tels cas chez les geopgraphes arabes du Moyen Age.
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http://www.globalarmenianheritage-adic.fr/0/0gmp0.JPG La GRANDE MOSQUÉE DE PARIS a reconnu le GÉNOCIDE DES ARMÉNIENS DE 1915, le 4mai2015 >> INFORMER Conseillers municipaux, Univ. du TempsLibre & Groupes de dialogue islamo-chrétien des VILLES-FR jumelées avec des villes de PAYS ARABES.
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#17 01-08-2020 12:55:43

Adic2010
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Re: Général Aftar VS Ankara ? OccasionInformer Associations.FR-Maghrébines

La Turquie s’en prend aux Emirats, demandera des "comptes"h

Ne restons pas les bras croisés ou a blablater entre nous comme dans un salon de thé.

https://www.e-moticone.com/emoticone/ordinateurs/communique.gif . Aujourd'hui il y a

- http://www.infirmiers.com/forum/images/smilies/6834.gif . tout un travail de fourmi (GAMATS-GAMATS MAIS EN ACTUALITÉ) de (bien) informer-sensibiliser

- les communes-FR jumelées avec des communes de pays arabes RUBRIQUE (#119)

- sur notre capital franco-arméno-arabo-historico-actuel / RUBRIQUE (#113).

- À long terme en catalysant encore plus la francophonie arabisante, nous pouvons aider son importance au détriment du lobbying traditionnel du Quai d'Orsay datant de François Ier.

- À court et moyen terme, c'est faire connaître-encourager les études-publications-associations franco-arménisantes et les voyages touristiques vers l'Arménie / au niveau de ces communes-FR.
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